By Lambert Strether of Corrente.
Affected person readers, that is a kind of posts the place, not like the well-known New Yorker parable, I went to the swamp, and located all too many birds, the swamp on this case being Washington, residence of the Publish, which has a secure of recommendation columnists: Carolyn Hax, together with Amy of “Ask Amy,” and Miss Manners. I’ve at all times admired, who’s humane, clever, and really educated about, effectively, the type of people that write to recommendation columnists for recommendation, and whose work I periodically binge-read (“life’s wealthy pageant”).
My easy plan was to combination snippets of recommendation from over the course of the pandemic, as a proxy for the evolution of social norming. Sadly, Hax is an absolute content-producing machine, usually with a couple of column every week plus a web-based discussion board. The quantity of fabric was so nice that this publish would have been book-length, and so out of the forty columns I discovered I’ve chosen essentially the most piquant — these I couldn’t bear to chop — and left all of the Amy[1] and [2] Miss Manners materials on the slicing room ground. For these eighteen, I’ll excerpt the reader’s query because it pertains to Covid, since most every part else could be inferred, human nature being what it’s. I’ll then excerpt Hax’s recommendation, and briefly remark upon it, intersecting reader query and recommendation with my very own recollections from the torrent of Covid content material that’s my Twitter feed.
Hax’s readers — a minimum of those that write in — are largely ladies, largely from WaPo’s catchment, and largely PMC (weddings, funerals, journey, eating, and youngsters bulk massive and never, say, the difficulties of plant closings, points with disagreeable clients who refuse to masks, or hospitals and nursing houses that defend neither employees nor sufferers). That mentioned, it’s clear that the Covid pandemic had and is having huge and infrequently baleful results on households, friendships, and relationships usually, and so what follows is of appreciable human curiosity, irrespective of the category views and pursuits at play. Notice that the headlines present a wealthy pageant all their very own, and don’t essentially confer with Covid.
2020
2020/08/22 Covid-19 will in the future subside, however mendacity is relationship most cancers
Q: My husband and I disagree about COVID precautions and have reached the purpose the place we’re continually preventing about it. I’m extra conservative and making an attempt to have contact with just a few households I do know are taking comparable precautions. He’s exposing himself and his 8-year- outdated son, my stepson, to much more individuals, together with one household that I imagine doesn’t take COVID significantly. One youngster on this household had chilly signs they usually refused to have him examined and continued to reveal him to different children.
. I’m very involved with what I’m studying about him, since he’s ignoring my considerations and never prepared to take such steps to assist me really feel secure even when he doesn’t suppose it’s vital himself. How do I transfer ahead?
A: — and a few much less apparent.
Left to wing it, teams of People in all places are wrestling with this very same battle and never coming to tidy options. {Couples}, roommates, co-workers, prolonged households, fellow consumers. Neglect that everybody’s danger tolerance is totally different — that’s sophisticated sufficient to reconcile — however on this case we’re all residing the implications of everybody else’s danger tolerances in a means most of us haven’t seen earlier than (with the doable exception of Boston driving).
So whereas I received’t fake his selections are on the accountable finish of the dimensions, I’ll eagerly fake COVID will ultimately cease working our lives and due to this fact disagreements on dealing with it don’t must be partnership-enders.
Right here’s the issue together with your husband that might outlast this shining second we’re in: His coping tactic for a major disagreement is to let you know sufficient of no matter you need to hear so that you’ll get off his again and he can resume doing no matter he seems like doing.
That lays naked such profound emotional immaturity that it’s a legitimate query whether or not you and he can have a wedding of equals once more, now that what he’s about.
Remark: “I’ll eagerly fake”: A great deal of irony there, I might say. And one may very effectively marvel what number of “marriages of equals” ended within the pandemic. I might guess many, although some exhausting information can be good.
2020/09/20 Bob’s ignoring his household. Ought to we ignore him?
Q: Simply as covid-19 arrived, a pair my spouse and I are shut pals with, “Mary and Bob,” had their first youngster. They determined Mary won’t return to work and Bob will proceed in his job.
These changes could be exhausting, and with covid-19, the sentiments of isolation make it even tougher. My spouse not too long ago discovered that Mary is feeling like Bob is spending an excessive amount of time on actions that don’t contain his household. Whereas the actions are secure and , the time Bob spends away from his household is placing a major pressure on his relationship with Mary. Sadly, they don’t appear to be speaking very effectively.
A: [L]et Bob determine whether or not to just accept and find out how to navigate his marriage, child and friendships.
I don’t advocate even well-meaning makes an attempt at social engineering primarily based on second- and third-hand info.
What pals are well-positioned to do, nearly uniquely so, is ease the new-parent workload and isolation. Pandemic protocols will restrict you, however not utterly.
Remark: I might have an interest to know what “native tips” “permitted” in 2020.
2021
2021/02/13 Roll up your sleeves and overcome your vaccine resentments
Q: I don’t know find out how to take care of my . I’ve a really shut group of pals, none of whom are high-risk. A pair have managed to get vaccinated via what I believe is a few degree of abuse of privilege.
A: Let go of any sense of accountability for particular person outcomes like this. Inform your pals, “Good for you,” and be glad for every micro-step towards collective immunity that isn’t slam-dunk-grotesquely entitled: bit.ly/VxFakers.
The foundations are the principles and neither you nor your pals made them. When the principles serve up a official alternative, it is sensible to take it.
And a media critique:
When one thing dominates the nationwide information, it’s frequent to really feel extremely engaged but additionally largely, if not totally, helpless. We really feel it, however we are able to’t repair it. So our very regular, wholesome impulses to do one thing begin to wander round, on the lookout for a spot to go.
And like every entity with a whole lot of vitality and nothing to do, these impulses begin to trigger bother across the neighborhood. Particularly, we are able to really feel very tempted to evaluate, appropriate, fixate on, fume at and attempt to micromanage what we see, or rename it Karen. Our pals, family members, neighbors, colleagues, that man behind us within the checkout line.
[M]ost of the time, and particularly when the impression of the particular person we’re correcting is drop-in-the-bucket negligible — or when the stakes are extremely summary — we danger doing extra hurt by butting in than by a strategic option to look the opposite means. .
Remark: “Our affectionate ties to others” jogs my memory of Lincoln’s First Inaugural: “Although ardour might have strained, it should not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of reminiscence will swell when once more touched….” How’d that work out?
2021/04/30 Is there sufficient pandemic left to excuse pals who choose out of a marriage?
Q: My youngster and their partner have been to have been married final yr at a venue a number of hours from our residence state. When every part was canceled due to covid-19, they determined to be married on the native courthouse. They nonetheless needed to have the marriage ceremony as deliberate, so it’s occurring quickly.
A variety of individuals have determined towards attending as a result of they received’t but be absolutely vaccinated.
After all I perceive and respect individuals’s considerations however this actually hurts. Their reasoning is that they’re too terrified to fly, keep in a lodge and don’t need to drive, though they’ve pushed a number of hours for different causes.
A: I urge you to reframe all this not as a wedding-attendance-as-proof-of-friendship matter, however as an alternative as one in all .
Each of you (learn: so, so many people) try to connect selves and routines again collectively after seeing a lot taken away. Each of you’re going to want a while earlier than you begin to really feel one thing like your outdated confidence and insouciance once more.
Remark: That is solely 2021; the traumatic interval has hardly been emerged from. Think about what number of selves and routines have to be glued again collectively in the present day!
2021/05/16 The pandemic could also be slowing down, however the judging persists unabated
Q: Associates who “imagine in science” received vaccinated and are nonetheless fearful of being “secure.” Gained’t work with a masked particular person inside if they don’t seem to be vaccinated, received’t eat inside socially distanced from others she doesn’t know are vaccinated and simply typically is tough to take care of.
I get it, covid is a scary illness, however . I’m feeling a lot safer as we go alongside. Increasingly it appears individuals are NOT carriers if vaccinated; there are only a few breakthrough instances.
A: When your pals are prepared, they’ll emerge. The extent won’t be to your liking, and the timing won’t be to your liking, however they’re not right here to behave to your liking.
Our conduct does have an effect on others’ well-being, although; there’s no getting round that.
So if somebody is overcorrecting in a means that’s aware of public well being vs. carelessly or stubbornly endangering it, then a little bit leeway is apt, plus a whole lot of persistence.
Every time you end up getting pissed off with individuals or the pandemic or the way in which individuals take care of the pandemic, attempt sorting all of it out by the next tips:
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Precautions are public.
Emotions are personal.
Remark: Sadly, the reader was lifeless flawed (“Increasingly it appears individuals are NOT carriers if vaccinated”). And sadly, contra Hax, personal emotions dominated.
2021/06/18 They stayed away to guard his well being, however covid-denier dad sees it in a different way
Q: Our father has Kind 1 diabetes. My brother and I didn’t see him for over a yr due to covid, which we took significantly.
We’re all vaccinated now, however our father won’t see us as a result of he doesn’t imagine in covid and thinks we deserted him. .
A: . You and your brother may likewise persuade your father you care about him by gently, respectfully, persistently telling him you do. Name on an everyday schedule. Mail him letters and playing cards. Ship images. Bear in mind and commemorate his milestone occasions. Advocate exhibits, books or new music you suppose he’ll like. Lengthen invites (and settle for “no” with out fuss).
Once more, stay respectful — he has each proper to not reciprocate and even settle for your efforts. But additionally put together your self for an extended dedication to proving your dedication to him, that will help you each really feel higher. That’s why letters and images are so good, they’re arm’s size.
As our mercurial political circumstances change — on him and everybody else — prop open doorways again to the reality.
Remark: “Relentless messaging” from whom, precisely? I might additionally have an interest to know if any readers utilized Hax’s technique with success, although (clearly) I vehemently agree with propping open doorways to the reality
2021/07/24 Whereas grieving, ‘What are pals for?’ just isn’t a rhetorical query
Q: Two weeks in the past my husband’s 33-year-old finest buddy died of covid-19. We’ve been coping finest we are able to, and yesterday attended a small funeral. Prematurely of attending, I had spoken to my three finest pals about my disappointment over this extraordinarily sudden loss, and general the exhausting time I’ve been having. I used to be actually shocked yesterday when to say they have been pondering of me.
A: Sure, they did allow you to down, tremendously. I’m not suggesting in any other case — I’m noting as an alternative that your emotions is perhaps out of proportion to the offense due to how overwhelming grief could be.
As for the way in which they allow you to down: Is it doable they didn’t know yesterday was the day, or may have misplaced monitor of it within the two weeks since your buddy’s demise?
When you’ve sorted this out, sure, do let your pals know you’re upset.
Remark: From the Lengthy Covid/Disabled group, these “let downs” (betrayals) are frequent (although my Twitter feed is super-self-selected, and I believe the algo doesn’t precisely feed me pleased tales).
2021/09/10 Associates worry one other covid lockdown — but barely locked down for the primary
Q: I get it, we’re previous the purpose on this pandemic the place it’s helpful or wise to evaluate one another’s conduct. However nonetheless, what do I do concerning the pals who say issues like, “I’m anxious we’re going to return into lockdown,” when these very same pals by no means went into lockdown within the first place? .
A: , to the purpose of indulgence. That could be a resolution, as a result of it’s a vital factor of being “on this collectively” — selecting to not finger-point others into looking for refuge within the closest cultural-purity bunker simply because it feels higher than being shamed.
Having to close issues down once more to stop deadly infections is the blunt instrument — killing companies as a result of it’s our solely means left to cease killing individuals — that we, collectively, make vital solely after we politicize the rather more refined and efficient ones. Please let’s simply concentrate on that.
Remark: And why did “we” “politicize” the “the rather more refined and efficient” non-pharmaceutical interventions?
2021/09/15 She refuses to masks or get vaccinated. Can their friendship survive?
Q: My shut buddy of a few years and I dwell about an hour away from one another, however we would as effectively be on distant planets with regards to covid.
Lockdown was extraordinarily disturbing for each of us. Since lockdown ended, I’ve been residing fastidiously: masking up indoors and getting vaccinated ASAP. She has been residing confidently, maskless, and refuses to get vaccinated. I believe covid security is an enormous deal, she thinks it’s not vital. Her buddy received covid-19 whereas battling breast most cancers and died. My buddy is satisfied her demise wasn’t associated to covid (how would anybody know?).
— she thinks I’m overreacting and overly cautious. After we discuss it, we each dig our heels in. So now we aren’t speaking. It’s been over a month now.
Now that the delta variant is right here, I’m much more anxious, indignant and pissed off along with her. I’m virtually obsessed along with her lack of security. How can a friendship overcome these variations?
A: For those who’re flawed about covid (you’re not), then right here’s what occurs: You’re feeling minor discomfort in your masks and nobody else is harmed.
If she’s flawed about covid (she is), then right here’s what occurs: She places herself susceptible to illness and demise; she places different individuals susceptible to illness and demise; she does her small half to assist lengthen the life and attain of a virus that has introduced illness and demise to thousands and thousands, together with huge emotional, experiential, instructional and financial losses to your entire world; and in doing all of those she offers the virus another residing alternative to mutate into much more harmful types.
So should you have been nonetheless talking, then . Once more — the prices of being flawed with every place are zero vs. completely freaking every part, respectively. It’s your accountability as her buddy and fellow human by no means to deviate from that time, and to not have interaction along with her on this matter past that. Thoughts your self-discipline, not hers.
Remark: Hax didn’t invoke Taleb’s “danger of damage, although she may effectively have. Sadly, “we” as a society ended up agreeing with the readers’s buddy, flawed morally and factually via she was.
2021/11/03 He misplaced his job and his mojo, and his associate’s persistence is subsequent
Q: My boyfriend is a musician and by no means made a ton of cash, and I carried the majority of the monetary weight due to it. It was exhausting, however I used to be prepared to do it as a result of I really like him and he’s a really form man. We by no means argue and get alongside very effectively.
Now with covid, most of his work has been canceled and he’s unwilling to search out one thing else. He’s additionally very depressed due to it.
A: That’s as a result of within the face of covid cancellations….. So though your frustration with the monetary strain is legitimate, that strain is a symptom. The underlying ailment is his shutting down below duress…. He, in the meantime, may must reckon together with your trying no deeper into his battle than its outermost layer of money.
Remark: The “root drawback” was that the boyfriend has to promote his labor energy to outlive, however that’s not one thing I might count on an recommendation columnist to say. Paid time-off for the period would have been helpful too, once more unmentioned.
2022
2022/01/25 Sister nags her means into child bathe in particular person, then checks constructive for covid
Q: As a substitute of a conventional child bathe, family members threw me a five-person gathering in my yard, and others have been invited to drive by. One buddy who has been quarantining supplied to remain afterward to assist me with items.
My sister begged me for weeks to hitch within the intimate gift-opening “after-party.” I didn’t need her to. I really like her, however she has probably not been cautious about covid. I simply didn’t really feel snug, however gave in.
And now, . I’m livid. She is aware of I’ve a serious guilt complicated and doubtless knew she would be capable to put on me down. And now she has put me and my household in danger. (I’m getting examined in the present day and my anxiousness is thru the roof.)
A from reader: “[G]et prepared now on your sister pushing to see your child and . ‘No, we now have determined it’s not secure. And it’s not up for dialogue.” Your youngster wants you to face as much as pushy individuals on their behalf.’
A from a kinder reader: “, particularly with regards to being with individuals they love. Years in the past, I needed my dying father to be at my bridal bathe regardless of his remedy. My buddy very kindly defined why it was not a good suggestion (duh!) however my thoughts was not processing accurately.”
Remark: I see this dynamic on a regular basis on the Twitter; the sister social norming her means into the occasion, in a show of muscle.
2022/02/08 Couple agreed to be ‘productive’ throughout pandemic however just one adopted via
Q: As soon as our respective corporations despatched us to work from home, we calculated we’d achieve 30-plus hours every week, even whereas nonetheless working full-time, on account of not commuting, touring or socializing in particular person. We promised one another we’d use that point to be productive in methods our prior schedules didn’t allow.
I stored up my finish of the discount: , developed respectable conversational abilities in two international languages, upped my working program to the purpose that I’m marathon-ready, and began volunteering for voter registration advocacy, all whereas persevering with to work full-time. My spouse has finished … not a lot. She has been studying fantasy novels, often watching a Historical past Channel documentary, and has usually used the time to “unwind.”
I’ve confronted her a number of occasions, and he or she tells me she is “rejecting productiveness tradition” and doesn’t really feel like enhancing herself proper now. We share housekeeping, cooking, and different sensible issues, and he or she does train, however I’m getting more and more pissed off — disgusted, even — that she would waste this reward of free time simply to look at TV and browse books higher fitted to kids.
A: that it might be value not being liked or revered — value arousing “disgust” — simply to remain married?
Plus, in case your definition of “enhancing” oneself didn’t embrace relaxation and juicy novels, then our variations can be irreconcilable.
Remark: Possibly this marriage was headed for the rocks anyhow — the 2 did finally divorce — however it might be fascinating what number of different “irreconcilable” variations have been revealed by the pandemic. Once more, I might guess lots, although it might be good to have exhausting information.
2022/02/23 Husband received an electronic mail that he was uncovered to covid, didn’t inform his spouse
Q: My husband went to a celebration at his males’s membership this week. Wives have been invited however I made a decision to not go for different causes, and I additionally mentioned I don’t suppose it was a good suggestion for everyone to be in a closed area like that, given covid.
Three days later, I see an electronic mail from the pinnacle of the boys’s membership informing all of the members that a number of individuals examined constructive after the get together. Two days after that, I see he deleted the e-mail and has not mentioned a phrase to me. (It’s a enterprise account and I’m the admin, so I see all emails.)
A: In case I wasn’t clear sufficient on the high, I’ll elaborate: .
Remark: Of all of the human behaviors revealed by Covid, I might say mendacity, whether or not by fee or, as right here, omission, is essentially the most prevalent.
2023
2023/09/15 My brother has been engaged to three ladies in 2 years
Q: My spouse and I’ve been married over 20 years. The final 5 have been stuffed with anger and hostility, and I don’t know what to do.
She is a particular person. Her pleased place is deep in a ebook, or on an extended solo hike, or spending a night along with her sisters. She has few pals, however is near her many siblings and the buddies she does have. Briefly, she could be very content material.
I’m not. I’m lonely and really feel ignored. It has made me very indignant and resentful, and I’ve exploded at her in anger in methods she apparently discovered terrfying and traumatic. I might by no means harm her or our two children (older teenagers), however I’ve damaged issues, punched partitions, and screamed at her (in entrance of the youngsters and in public as soon as, I’m embarrassed to say).
A: What she’s not doing is your bidding/no matter you need her to. Which brings us again to the baseline legislation of autonomy. You get to resolve what you need, and also you resolve what you do, however your wishes and actions Do Not management how different individuals behave. You should not have that proper. Not even via marriage. Marriage is an settlement to be yourselves collectively. .
Remark: I included this one as a result of extroverts and introverts have reacted very in a different way each to the pandemic, and to the varied measures taken to fight it.
And one other snippet from the identical article:
Q: “I’m the letter author from Sunday who’s struggling to succeed in Christmas lodging together with his fiancée.”
A from a reader: “Christmas is an efficient day to fly IF it’s not snowing the place you might be and/or the place you’re going. I sympathize with all {couples} making an attempt to take care of the Household Christmas ordeal. So many have been relieved throughout Thanksgiving and Christmas 2020 when it was not Covid-safe to journey in order that they received to say residence and didn’t have to separate the vacation or journey, for as soon as.”
Remark: The “aid” is little remarked upon however absolutely real for a lot of, particularly introverts. (Curiously, on the Twitter, those that take Covid precautions significantly are “on the spectrum,” a inhabitants that doesn’t appear to seem in Hax’s readership.
2024
2024/02/12 Boyfriend retains questioning associate about latest weight achieve
Q: Some time again, . My boyfriend was very supportive, at all times telling me I used to be stunning even after I felt like demise.
This yr, my sense of scent got here again, and it’s been great: Meals tastes good once more, and I’ve been treating myself. My physician was happy with my well being and informed me that I’d edged into the traditional weight vary for my peak.
After I received residence, my boyfriend was pleased to listen to I’m doing effectively. Then he requested about my weight and appeared shocked after I informed him. He mentioned, “Wow, I’d by no means guess you weigh that a lot.” A couple of hours later, he introduced it up once more, asking whether or not I deliberate to get any heavier.
A: I don’t see what there may be to interpret. He tells you (day by day!) precisely who he’s and what he values. “Higher to be underweight!” He’s as refined as a moist T-shirt. However .
“Talking of the long run: Do you propose to maintain being a complete [glass bowl]?”
Remark: One other “bias” revealed, one other relationship on the rocks. Nevertheless, the boyfriend (and, for that matter, Hax), might need identified that the girlfriend’s anosmia ought to have been taken significantly, as an indication of doable neurological injury.
2024/03/05 When stepsiblings battle, mum or dad feels responsible for mixing household
Q: I’ve two pals who need to one-up me at each flip, and I don’t know find out how to reply. For example, after I was sick with covid, I emailed one buddy about how depressing a illness it’s. I used to be actually struggling. She wrote again that she didn’t have a tough time with it in any respect, it was just some days to meet up with her favourite TV exhibits. . What’s one of the best ways to answer a one-upper?
A: The plain response is to befriend higher individuals. The entertaining response is to supply congratulations for any and all methods they outperform you. “Congratulations on residing your finest covid! I’ve a lot to be taught from you.”
You most likely don’t need extremes, and that reply hits each of them, however actually, the middle-of-the-road reply is similar: and, if there may be, resolve find out how to behave inside it to take care of your integrity and preserve them from snuffing out your final flicker of pleasure.
A from a reader: “Until you have been a detailed buddy, who wouldn’t electronic mail me to start with, I wouldn’t care how your COVID was going. Actually billions have had it and actually billions are sick of speaking about it. Possibly these “two pals” are honest climate pals, perhaps LW is simply very demanding they usually have been being well mannered responding in any respect.
Remark: The reader response appears much more prevalent than Hax’s extra humane one. Throwing the sick below the bus appears second solely to mendacity within the present Zeitgeist.
2024/03/21 Is it flawed to ‘confront’ a brother who resists staying in contact?
Q: My brother is married, has a 17-month-old boy and helps his spouse run in a resort city in Maryland. Nevertheless, he barely acknowledges my mom, who just isn’t overbearing and could be very form. It nearly seems like he purposely needs nothing to do with any of us with out ever telling us why.
A: Having labored within the restaurant enterprise with a father who managed, it’s all-consuming. By no means thoughts proudly owning a restaurant. In a resort city through the summer time? Together with a toddler? Yikes. And, provided that vacationers have been ‘catching up’ post-covid, I might query that brother has time to sleep! And, with a toddler, may very effectively not.
Remark: Attention-grabbing that individuals really feel entitled to “catch up.” Again to 2019! And this reader want to learn about air flow in that restaurant, and whether or not the employees wore masks. Maybe in 2020-2021 Hax herself would have requested that query, however having plowed via a lot of these things, I see how it might get sporting.
Conclusion
Some readers might reproach Hax for not having finished all she may, however I might distinction her to Emily Publish, whose completely dominant Etiquette in Society, in Enterprise, in Politics, and at Residence was revealed in 1922, a mere two years after the Spanish flu ended. Publish erases the Spanish Flu utterly; nothing on air flow, nothing on masks (plenty of “damask,” although). Nothing on coughing in public, whether or not into one’s elbow or not. Hax, although in the same line of labor, has finished a lot, a lot better.
It’s unlucky that shameless mendacity appears to be the principle all-to-human conduct exhibited below the stresses of our coverage of mass an infection with out mitigation. From an earlier publish, I need to revive the notion of “perception scarring“:
Whereas COVID-19 lockdown measures disrupt manufacturing worldwide, additionally they shock employees’ perceptions and beliefs concerning the economic system and will therefore have long-lasting results after the pandemic. We examine a belief-scarring mechanism within the context of labor markets and embed this mechanism right into a multi-country, multi-sector Ricardian commerce mannequin with enter–output linkages. Our quantitative evaluation signifies that pandemic shocks go away persistent and substantial belief-driven damaging impacts on the post-COVID economic system.
I can’t however suppose that belief-scarring has taken place not solely within the labor market, but additionally within the marrriage market, and the (presumably) non-market-oriented discipline of friendships and relationships usually. Pervasive mendacity by “others” to whom one might really feel “affectionate ties” can’t however have a everlasting impact, making a low-trust society much more low-trust; the identical goes for the abandonment and the erasure of Lebensunwertes Leben. On the brilliant aspect — I don’t communicate sarcastically, right here — belief by those that persist collectively in resisting “Rule #2 (Go Die)” below the present regime of mass an infection with out mitigation can’t however be strengthening.
NOTES
[1] 2023/07/03, 2023/08/17, 2023/08/18, 2023/09/15, 2023/09/22, 2023/09/23, 2023/11/04, and 2023/11/14.
[2] 2023/09/29, 2023/06/22, 2023/08/01, 2024/01/12.
